tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post2542465587428552017..comments2023-08-05T07:24:04.413-05:00Comments on Hope n' Change Cartoons: Foundling FathersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-16649248143931005632012-02-23T12:09:03.102-06:002012-02-23T12:09:03.102-06:00@Kels- Glad that you have a sense of humor! I'...@Kels- Glad that you have a sense of humor! I'm really pleased that you guys approve.Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-30540824662911877032012-02-22T10:24:44.495-06:002012-02-22T10:24:44.495-06:00I am the producer of WILL IT BLEND and I totally a...I am the producer of WILL IT BLEND and I totally agree with your depiction. Haha. Tom loves it also.Kels Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02858631570972268592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-17618647294881459632012-01-27T08:30:56.527-06:002012-01-27T08:30:56.527-06:00Sorry I'm late with this last thought:
Can yo...Sorry I'm late with this last thought:<br /><br /><b>Can you imagine something that would put evangelical Christians and homosexual activists together fighting on the same side of an issue?</b> I can. It’s my prediction that as genetic testing for fetus’ progresses, tests to suggest if a child will be predisposed to being homosexual will become more widely available and accepted. There will be, no doubt, many anguished parents who will consider abortion a less offensive option than rearing a child that might possibly turn out to be gay. Since the homosexual community has long argued that homosexuality isn’t a “choice” but is something that someone is born into, the arguments of “genocide” will emerge, and many of this traditionally very liberal group will fracture and align themselves with the anti-abortion agenda. Many will argue that abortions instigated on the basis of such test should be made illegal, breaching the notion that abortion is entirely an issue of a woman’s “choice”.<br /><br />I think many on the left already see this coming, and are attempting to get such tests discredited or outlawed altogether to cut this off before it happens. They can’t afford to lose any more of their coalition than they already have.John the Econnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-68966698238996589082012-01-26T14:25:55.681-06:002012-01-26T14:25:55.681-06:00Wow, is this country's policy in this area scr...Wow, is this country's policy in this area screwy right now or what?God bless America though!pryorguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-55929865216419575382012-01-26T12:25:44.583-06:002012-01-26T12:25:44.583-06:00@Dragon Against Evil- As you say, the law needs t...@Dragon Against Evil- As you say, the <i>law</i> needs to be finite, even if the underlying questions are much more difficult to answer. And so all of us, from our varying perspectives, need to try to arrive at what law is most acceptable. For me, what we currently have is a long way from acceptable.<br /><br />@Pete(Detroit)- I'm delighted but not surprised by the civility here, even on such a potentially inflammatory subject. The key is that everyone respects everyone else around here, even if opinions differ. Which allows dialogue instead of flame wars. Frankly, I wouldn't invest the time it takes on this blog if it was just a meeting place for bomb throwers. But happily, I'm enlightened and buoyed by the comments here every day.<br /><br />Regarding "viability," I wouldn't set that as the magic point at which Life and Rights kick in - I'd actually argue that those things come into play <i>much</i> sooner.<br /><br />@Jazz- I'd like to think that even in a culture that is now numb to the word "trillions" thrown around, "50 million lives lost" still carries a little weight (but I'm not sure it does). And whether a clergy member or a politician, anyone who doesn't stand up for what they believe in doesn't <i>actually</i> believe in a damn thing.<br /><br />@JustaJeepGuy- According to Obama, a fetus <i>is</i> a murderer who takes the life (or at least the "happy" life) away from a woman. But unlike adult murderers, they're too young for government-funded rehabilitation programs, so they have to be sliced, diced, sucked, and bucketed.<br /><br />@Pete(Detroit)- Bringing children into lives of desperate poverty and hopelessness (or already damaged from alcohol or drug abuse by the mother) is another huge issue...and another in which we'll find Liberal policies largely to blame. To save the children, we need to save families - which in turn means saving communities by re-establishing the importance of values and personal responsibility.Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-88458859981920616262012-01-26T01:31:10.325-06:002012-01-26T01:31:10.325-06:00JeepGuy - your 2nd point was kinda exactly my firs...JeepGuy - your 2nd point was kinda exactly my first - right on! <br /><br />Your first point brings to mind that not only would they likely be Dems, but also mired in poverty (born to young, un{der}educated unmarried poor women) and likely living at state expense in facilities w/ high fences and community showers. This was actually pointed out to me as a justification of abortion by a (former) associate of mine. Creepy and sick, but true. <br />We, as a society need better ways of dealing w/ a) unwanted pregnancies b) poor, un(der)educated women.Pete(Detroit)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-49948071927052157002012-01-26T00:50:20.271-06:002012-01-26T00:50:20.271-06:00Re: pryorguy's comment about the "40 mill...Re: pryorguy's comment about the "40 million" who would be taxpayers now, I think it's worth noting that the vast majority of those now-dead former babies would have grown up to be Demo_rats. That's actually kind of scary.<br /><br />As a side note, I have often wondered how it can be that the pro-abortion types can swear up and down that a woman has an absolute right to an abortion whenever she wants, but society has no right to execute a known, convicted murderer. It's somehow okay to kill a baby who has never done anything wrong, but someone who has murdered human beings should be permitted to live? I don't get it.JustaJeepGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-37502202985796716592012-01-26T00:25:15.515-06:002012-01-26T00:25:15.515-06:001. Since 1973, there have been an estimated 50 mil...1. Since 1973, there have been an estimated 50 million abortions in the United States alone. (These estimates do not address potential multiple births, but only the number of pregnant women involved.) Since polls indicate that people tend to vote the same "party line" as their parents, and that the overwhelming majority of women who have abortions are "liberals," that means some 25 million Democrat voters didn't get a chance to get to voting age ... and counting.<br /><br />2. Churches & ministers who are afraid to lose their IRS status have already lost something far more critical: their integrity.<br /><br />3. Politicians who claim that "personally" they are opposed to abortion, but that they can't come against "the law of the land" have forgotten that they are allegedly the ones who write the laws. They are liars, pure and simple. But I'm repeating myself.<br /><br />I suspect that I am also reading much of what has already been said ... but I couldn't stand to read any more than just a few entries.Jazznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-36666342918119743812012-01-25T23:28:58.258-06:002012-01-25T23:28:58.258-06:00Don't know about the rest of you, but observin...Don't know about the rest of you, but observing (and participating in) this discussion at the level of politeness and respect we are is stunning. This is a verbotten topic purely as it is simply normally not possible to have a sane rational discussion. Bravo and well done, all! <br /><br />Stilt - agreed, "viability" as a minimum definition. It does kind of fox my senses that pre-natal surgeries are performed on fetuses (fetuii?) that are younger than some that are aborted for no "good" reason...Pete(Detroit)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-3810094690975849602012-01-25T22:19:58.250-06:002012-01-25T22:19:58.250-06:00@Stilt
Don't worry; I got that. As I said, I ...@Stilt<br /><br />Don't worry; I got that. As I said, I believe GOD gave me a scientific mind, and a debative attitude goes along with that. I was just saying that, rather poorly it seems, I was glad you didn't take my statements incorrectly. As in, you didn't see them as argumentative points against abortion.<br /><br />As you said, they were only points of weight ;)<br /><br />You're also absolutely right to say it's not very complicated. While we may have different views, we both recognize that the <i>law</i> wins. A healthy debate is never bad, but the statist left doesn't want a debate. They want to create tyrannical dictum.DragonAgnstEvilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093332715043139150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-68168514508022465002012-01-25T20:40:49.588-06:002012-01-25T20:40:49.588-06:00@Dragon Against Evil- Please note that I was agree...@Dragon Against Evil- Please note that I was agreeing with you - and let me expand on that by saying what a marvelous and important concept "sanctity of life" is.<br /><br />Determining a secular, legal definition of when life begins (or when legal "personhood" begins) is indeed the slipperiest of slopes - and yet we have to try to arrive at something in order to have logical and enforceable laws (not just regarding abortion, but other pre-natal issues). <br /><br />But it's not as complicated as the Left would like it to be. If a child would be viable outside the womb, <i>it's a person</i>. If it has been born, full term, despite a failed abortion attempt, <i>it's a person</i>. <br /><br />No answer is going to be perfect - but that sure doesn't mean we can't start by eliminating the ridiculous.Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-18720822716471423492012-01-25T20:30:21.828-06:002012-01-25T20:30:21.828-06:00The Ugly American- Hey, let ME thank everyone who ...The Ugly American- Hey, let ME thank everyone who has contributed today. It's seriously a privilege and pleasure for me to get to read everyone's comments.Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-32157766799398453502012-01-25T20:29:16.718-06:002012-01-25T20:29:16.718-06:00@Stilt
I'm glad you see the weight of a life,...@Stilt<br /><br />I'm glad you see the weight of a life, and I'm not at all put off at my statements being taken that way. I was not using my statements as arguments against abortion but the weight and sanctity of life.<br /><br />If I were to use arguments against abortion, I would have to begin with where and when I consider life to begin. While I say conception, I also understand other points of view <i>if and only if</i> those points of view weigh the weight and sanctity of life.<br /><br />Several posters have already commented on what is truly evil about abortion. It blurs the line between the sanctity of life and unjust death. If an arbitrary time frame defines when an abortion can be performed, the absolute answer of when life begins loses its moral foundation.<br /><br />It's a slippery slope. It is emotionally disturbing to see politics arbitrarily define life with abortion timelines, but our true purpose must be to put forth logical arguments.<br /><br />Sometimes we have to emotionally charge people - like showing images of an aborted baby (I refuse to be politically correct with "fetus"). The human psyche responds and resonates to emotions, something statists (aka: the left, demoncrats, et al) have a certain mastery of. We sometimes have to fight fire with fire. However, the truth and logic takes deeper root.DragonAgnstEvilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093332715043139150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-12323767192887906052012-01-25T20:09:13.564-06:002012-01-25T20:09:13.564-06:00Thank you Stilton.
Fantastic post.Thank you Stilton.<br /><br />Fantastic post.The Ugly Americanhttp://www.sondrakistan.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-75097984256074595732012-01-25T16:02:28.126-06:002012-01-25T16:02:28.126-06:00@Dragon Against Evil- Excellent points about the d...@Dragon Against Evil- Excellent points about the differences between disagreeing with someone and hating them. As a rule, I try to do the same thing, though I've allowed myself the personal indulgence of hating just a <i>couple</i> of people to keep in practice (surprise: Obama isn't one of them).<br /><br />In your post, you mention people who weren't aborted who accomplished great things, and women who had abortions who later regretted it. Which isn't so much a direct argument against abortion (to me, anyway) as it is an argument that abortion is <i>always</i> a huge, important, and life-altering decisions and should damn well be treated as such. Those who minimize the <i>importance and gravity</i> of this choice are minimizing the value of life itself. Enabling or encouraging any woman to have an abortion and treating it like a tooth extraction is an insult to women's intelligence.<br /><br />@Anon- "Selfishness" is the magic word, alright. It's what Obama is preaching and what the Progressives live and breathe. Whatever happened to "ask not what your country can do for you?"<br /><br />@John the Econ- Again, a great point. Personally, I believe that there are instances where abortion can be appropriate...and similarly, I could support euthanasia in certain circumstances. But in both cases, I know it's about <i>taking a life</i> and I can't balm my feelings by pretending it's anything else.<br /><br />But these decisions must not be made lightly or for the wrong reasons - as they are, tragically and seemingly without end, in today's sick, sad culture.Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-65551513957281729262012-01-25T15:22:53.575-06:002012-01-25T15:22:53.575-06:00The most interesting aspect of the abortion debate...The most interesting aspect of the abortion debate is the intellectual gymnastics it forces Progressives to go through in order to make their whole argument work. In a nutshell, they have to rationalize against what even deep-down they know to be intrinsically true; that a fetus is, in fact, a human life. The ideology that self-righteously portends justify all public policy in the name of being sensitive to the weakest aspects “humanity” forces itself to accept that the weakest and most vulnerable of all humans, an unborn fetus, is, in fact, not even human.<br /><br />This is the price they must pay for embracing Roe vs. Wade, which refused to legally define what life is for them.<br /><br />Once you allow such non-logic into your intellectual portfolio, all manner of insanity becomes possible. And it has.<br /><br />The arguments used to justify the pro-abortion movement nauseate me to the core. <br />I, on the other hand, refuse to delude myself. I have no problem with believing that abortion should be legal, and even encouraged in cases of rape or health. But what I won’t do is try to fool myself into believing that partaking in an abortion is not the taking of a human life. This is what I believe makes me far more “human” than all of those “sensitive” liberals who cry crocodile tears for the victims of society.John the Econnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-46245591325040353662012-01-25T15:11:02.552-06:002012-01-25T15:11:02.552-06:00I feel anytime ya gotta start 'splitting hairs...I feel anytime ya gotta start 'splitting hairs' on an issue to try and get your point across, you are probably on the 'wrong' side of the scale.<br /><br />We 'baby boomers' far outnumber the present generations behind us; not only because following WWWII our folks brought millions of us into the world, but shortly following that, abortion was made legal by Roe vs Wade(brought about by the efforts of ONE DERANGED WOMAN). As a result there are around 40 million fewer people in this country who would have been working and paying their 'fair share' of taxes!pryorguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-19769179488796719052012-01-25T15:03:44.246-06:002012-01-25T15:03:44.246-06:00So why are the only people who are Pro Choice aliv...So why are the only people who are Pro Choice alive? (i.e. they weren't aborted).<br />Why is it the minute you find yourself pregnant with a longed for child with someone you love, its a BABY - a real person! So happy! When you find yourself pregnant accidentally by someone you don't know or care about, it's a FETUS/TISSUE?<br />The comment that this has merely become a means of birth control is right on. At the cost of millions of lives.<br />Selfish selfish. How can our children have come to mean so little to us?Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339210143469154703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-30463441612666887682012-01-25T13:48:25.047-06:002012-01-25T13:48:25.047-06:00First and Foremost, I am a Christian. I was born a...First and Foremost, I am a Christian. I was born and raised Lutheran, but I generally consider myself non-denominational. That said; I believe GOD gave me a scientific mind for a reason. I step back from an issue and pick it apart as logically and free of emotion as possible.<br /><br />Emotion, after all, leads to making "truths that fit theories" instead of discovering the truth through theories. This is commonly referred to as social justice, politically correct, or any number of "positive" media labels.<br /><br />I won't dress down Sam Wronski too terribly, but I shall admit that at one point I was filled with hate. That's the difference I see with wrongly labeled "liberals" - they are really statists. They love hate. They thrive on it, and they sell it.<br /><br />On the other hand, I recognized the hate I had - mostly towards myself and people who picked on me - and saw it for the evil it was. In fact, most Conservatives recognize that hate is evil. We don't want to hate. We want freedom, and we want to live our own lives the way we see fit.<br /><br />I vowed to never hate another person ever again while I was in high school. I vowed to follow GOD's teaching to love the sinner and hate the sin. Though I'm rather chronic depressive, I've been much happier since. I pray for many more "Saul"s to become "Paul"s.<br /><br />That doesn't mean I won't fight for freedom in the US. I'll speak my mind and do what little I can to help, but I sure as anything am not backing down.<br /><br />When it comes to abortion, I'm certainly Pro-Life. There are many wonderful people who were born from situation where doctors said the mother's life was at risk - Tim Tebow anyone? - or counselors said it was better for the rape victim. Sadly, I can't think of somebody specific for the latter at the moment. However, one rape victim I saw interviewed said she felt <i>empowered against the rapist</i> by carrying the baby to term and loving him/her (sorry, brain file not loading right now).<br /><br />In fact, the Radiance Foundation has proven how very anti-hate Pro-Lifers are. Here's a video on how they hope to turn the tide.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StS3nUpDNqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player<br /><br /><i>Some of those are women who <b>regretted</b> their abortion!</i> Can you say they are filled with hate? I love them. I love them dearly. They made a mistake, and they will have to <i>suffer</i> with it for the <b>rest of their lives</b>!<br /><br />That's not any sort of "pursuit of happiness" I see in their eyes. Though, they have turned their suffering into a message.<br /><br />Do I want to see atheists die? No, they are brothers and sisters. Do I want to see Muslims die? That's like asking if I want my friends to die. Do I want people of differing opinions, cultures, nationalities, or religions to die? That's like asking if I want family to die!<br /><br />Now, I'm not against the death penalty. That's taking legal action to punish somebody for atrocious crimes - like murder, treason, tyranny, et cetera.<br /><br />If you have a different opinion, post that opinion. You can back it up with facts, but do not slander and liable without some <i>very</i> hard evidence. You see, that's something we've been fighting for a very long time from the media and demoncrats. It only speaks ill of the attacker.DragonAgnstEvilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-87091134490013277212012-01-25T13:13:31.802-06:002012-01-25T13:13:31.802-06:00@Colby- A great and measured response to Mr. Wrons...@Colby- A great and measured response to Mr. Wronski. One of the things that I love about this blog is that the people who take time to think and comment (in that order) are <i>not</i> hateful or stupid, and serious discussions and differing opinions are exchanged here in a friendly way. <br /><br />If someone of the liberal persuasion wants to have an honest conversation about a different viewpoint, I genuinely welcome it - not as a contest to see who's argument "wins," but rather as an opportunity for two differing sides to try to learn about each other.<br /><br />But of course, that's less likely to happen when someone first accuses others of hate, ignorance, or hateful ignorant religiosity instead of sharing any facts or perspective.Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-58513278266622556802012-01-25T13:05:53.260-06:002012-01-25T13:05:53.260-06:00@elcedar- Very good post, and I particularly like ...@elcedar- Very good post, and I particularly like your observation that this has "nothing to do with religion" (and to clarify, I mean only that people don't need to be religious to have strong feelings about the value of life).<br /><br />Probably the biggest turning point in my own thoughts about all of this happened during my wife's pregnancy. She was required to take medication which could potentially cause birth defects, and so amniocentesis (sampling amniotic fluid with a needle) was recommended. And the doctor told us the procedure was quite safe, with only about a 1-in-33 chance of something going wrong and, perhaps, causing a spontaneous abortion. But at that point, my unborn daughter had a heartbeat. She was moving around and kicking. And suddenly I felt like I was being asked to play russian roulette with a gun that had 33 chambers and one bullet. And my wife and I chose not to do the procedure (and happily, our daughter was - and is - perfect). But there was nothing hypothetical about my daughter's existence at that point, and no amount of legalistic rhetoric or partisan speechifying can change that.<br /><br />@John the Econ- <i>Spectacular</i>. Point by point, we're in complete agreement. Although you express yourself with dignity and eloquence, and I'm doing cartoons using projectile vomiting. I doff my hat, sir.<br /><br />Pete(Detroit)- I wonder how many Libs even know what "eugenics" is, and what Margaret Sanger's goal was (hint: racial purity and removing the "human waste" from the gene pool). But how to hide her organization's true goals from the black population? In her own words: <i>"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."</i><br /><br />By the way, Sanger didn't just want black parents to abort... she wanted them sterilized to "prevent multiplication of this bad stock."<br /><br />History tends to bite Progressives in the ass every single time.Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-22005623219457402352012-01-25T12:53:13.395-06:002012-01-25T12:53:13.395-06:00@Sam Wronski,
Wow! We lack intelligence? Do you ...@Sam Wronski,<br />Wow! We lack intelligence? Do you say that because we believe differently from you? I categorically disagree with everything Barack Obama stands for, but will freely admit he is a pretty intelligent dude.<br /><br />And we're filled with hate because we think abortion is murder of human life? Listen up, dude. I can't speak for anybody but me, but I don't hate anybody. I don't hate people who get abortions; I don't hate people who GIVE abortions. I don't even hate you for telling me I'm full of hate. Get real... What I DO hate is... well.. abortions. When my daughter in law got pregnant, her mother wanted her to get an abortion, but she refused. Every day I look at my wonderful, 11 year old grandson and thank God his mother stood strong.<br /><br />Oh, and what the heck do Indians, atheists and Muslims have to do with this? You completely lost me there. What, are there rogue bands of conservatives out there slaughtering atheists by the millions? Like maybe 54 million?<br /><br />As a note to you blogging here. If you want people to actually take you seriously, perhaps it would be wise to stand back from the point and look at it in perspective. There are opinions that apparently greatly differ from yours, and the folks that hold those opinions are by and large neither stupid nor hateful. We just get wound up sometimes, and this blog is a great place to vent frustration. If you want to participate in a blog of nothing but like-minded people, please feel free to do so. That's what I do.Colbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-1846638135681379012012-01-25T12:43:35.386-06:002012-01-25T12:43:35.386-06:00In case you missed it, the writings and ramblings ...In case you missed it, the writings and ramblings of Obama's science adviser (CZAR?) should give us all pause. Obama and his radical ilk are pretty much cut from the same cloth.<br /><br />Not all of us are as casually uninterested in human life as these folks are:<br />http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=34344Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-36504042238116089412012-01-25T11:01:15.991-06:002012-01-25T11:01:15.991-06:00John, +1 to all, especially in re teh experiences ...John, +1 to all, especially in re teh experiences of women who've had them.<br /><br />Odd that the Prez is so pro PParenthood, when that organization was specifically set up to wipe out black people. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger<br /><br />(yeah, I know, it's a Wiki link - so sue me)Pete(Detroit)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-43607818770442464872012-01-25T10:55:44.156-06:002012-01-25T10:55:44.156-06:00Let the Obamabots be pro-death. Each one not here ...Let the Obamabots be pro-death. Each one not here cannot learn to be Progressive. OTOH, in 18 years, the believers in life can vote.Peccablehttp://americanmoxie.usnoreply@blogger.com