tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post5157795672089916722..comments2023-08-05T07:24:04.413-05:00Comments on Hope n' Change Cartoons: Word on the SkeetUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-65944555838855889822013-01-30T21:35:54.979-06:002013-01-30T21:35:54.979-06:00Can you guess where the skeets got the wood for th...Can you guess where the skeets got the wood for their muskeets?<br /><br />From mesquite trees (the latin form of the word)...Velcrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13137201079791654873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-45003496645468176382013-01-30T21:25:56.049-06:002013-01-30T21:25:56.049-06:00@ REM1875
If Janet Napolinutso thinks an AR-15 is ...@ REM1875<br />If Janet Napolinutso thinks an AR-15 is hard to shoot then she hasn't shot mine. It is the sweetest thing I've ever shot and I've been shooting for nearly 50 years.grayladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-41794312786054149242013-01-30T09:29:59.229-06:002013-01-30T09:29:59.229-06:00airotciv - recognising this probably won't be ...airotciv - recognising this probably won't be seen, as we all move on to today's cartoon, but contrary to stereotype, here at H&C we welcome dialog w/ other opinions, and tend to discuss politely when politeness is offered. Yay all on success mode. An AR makes a pretty good home defense gun, per many knowledgeable gun writers, as does a shotgun. High capacity mags (NOT "Clips" PLEASE!) are arguable in the event you need several shots each to put down a gang of drugged up junkies assaulting your domicile. However, the point remains - the 2nd is there so that, if necessary, the citizens can take out evil governments. <br />Period.<br /><br />txGreg - that *is* a hottie of a shottie, to be sure! I LIKE that it can be loaded w/ a variety of ammo, and select per side (shot on the right, slugs on left, for instance) Kinda pricy, but SCHWEEEETTT!!! <br />Pete(Detroit)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-44406330394553375412013-01-30T05:25:06.357-06:002013-01-30T05:25:06.357-06:00The media is trying to tell me that people who jus...The media is trying to tell me that people who just took up their own personal arms in rebellion to over throw a strong central govt (who was trying to disarm them) saw no value in staying armed <br />(see Cuban revolution to find out how well that worked). Does this even make sense to anyone? What sort of liar does it take to twist the moral of this story to state only a strong central govt was to be armed? Worse yet what sort of convuluted logic does it take to actually believe this story? REM1875https://www.blogger.com/profile/04847984055699795355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-9000867013589671832013-01-30T00:05:30.863-06:002013-01-30T00:05:30.863-06:00Need an image of Barry shooting a sheet shotgun si...Need an image of Barry shooting a sheet shotgun sideways, gangsta style... left-handed.<br /><br />Which would actually make sense because it would eject the shell downward instead of into his face... if he was shooting a typical shotgun.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16838245494974537597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-74950689803950318422013-01-29T23:27:58.903-06:002013-01-29T23:27:58.903-06:00Just a historical note: The primary weapon of the ...Just a historical note: The primary weapon of the British army (infantry, anyway) of the 1776-1783 period was THE BAYONET. The smoothbore musket wasn't much good as a firearm in regard to accuracy. The British infantryman was highly-disciplined and would advance determinedly when the lead was flying toward them, and it must have been a truly terrifying sight to see them coming no matter how many of them fell to lucky shots. <br /><br />JustaJeepGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-17745873312860748522013-01-29T21:44:50.596-06:002013-01-29T21:44:50.596-06:00@airotciv: Amendment II. "A well regulated mi...@airotciv: <b>Amendment II. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."</b><br /><br />The point/purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to provide a necessary check on government by it's citizens, by providing a means of recourse when the government strayed too far in it's powers. Simply stated, there would not have been a Revolution against King Charles if the citizens did not have their own arms. The last of the 2nd Amendment insured that the government could not deny it's citizens arms, thus denying recourse against tyranny - remember King George's/England's tyranny was the reason behind the revolution.<br /><br />The 2nd Amendment does not reference 'hunting' or 'assault' weapons, nor does it address magazine sizes. One could argue that 'the founders could not have envisioned such weapons', but in fact, there were many weapons of the day capable of mass casualty - especially when a wound was normally mortal. Triangular bayonets come to mind - I have a rifle of the era whose bayonet is 18" long, 1/2" wide and a curved triangular cross section (when they said 'run you through', they meant it) the wound could not be staunched. I believe that the founding fathers were instead, purposefully non specific to allow the words <b>as written</b> as guidelines for whatever the future held forth - also remember, many of these signers were visionaries.<br /><br />Read the Declaration of Independence, and see if those tyrannies listed by the colonies do not apply today - I think one would be surprised how parallel the situations are.SeaDog52http://seachants.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-11117983546923558092013-01-29T17:42:51.043-06:002013-01-29T17:42:51.043-06:00Thank you all for taking the time to reply--and ve...Thank you all for taking the time to reply--and very politely too! <br /><br />@WMD Unless you count paintball and BB guns (and video games), I have not shot a gun. I have shot with compound bows & crossbows, though. They're very heavy and hard to pull back. Quite the workout! <br /><br />I didn't know about the gentleman in Seattle (We'll just stick with that city for the location :) ) but I suppose you have a point--isn't there a town in Texas where everyone is required to carry a gun and there's no crime due to it? I'm not sure if that's fact or urban legend though... sorry!<br /><br />@txGreg You made me facepalm when I realized that you were right. It's really easy to grasp the concept once you move from "need" to simply "I want it." More so because I have some swords that just look nice and never plan to use them. I just wanted them so I got them. <br /><br />Applying that logic to guns makes the issue pretty cut and dry (though I'm sure the powers that be would disagree and start citing safety and the like. Le sigh) Thank you for clearing it up! :)<br /><br />@Stilton Traps? Darn. Well, there goes the thought of sneaking on you while you're sketching the next comic. :D<br /><br />I didn't think about the militia bit and weapons either... thank you for clearing it up. Though I think I'll thank you guys instead for explaining it so clearly! Airotcivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954238468019752061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-35600071877649740802013-01-29T16:54:23.309-06:002013-01-29T16:54:23.309-06:00@SeaDog52- If non-medical people can make the rule...@SeaDog52- If non-medical people can make the rules for Obamacare, why can't people clueless about guns make the rules regarding ownership? (Beats head on desk).<br /><br />@Airotciv- You don't have to own a gun to care passionately about the issue (I don't have a gun, but my property is riddled with Burmese tiger traps). <br /><br />The second amendment clearly isn't about hunting, it's about making sure that The People can own the arms necessary to formulating a well regulated militia (note: the gun ownership happens first - by the time you need to create a militia, you'd better already have your weapons at home). <br /><br />Regarding your example of poorly-trained good guys with guns possibly doing additional damage, I'll take my chances rather than have a shooter casually killing everyone in sight. How badly do I wish that there was someone - ANYone - with a defensive gun at Sandy Hook that awful day? <br /><br />A final note is that the bad guys carry some very nasty weaponry these days, and citizens should have access to at least the same firepower.<br /><br />All of that being said, thanks for making your points in such an open and interesting way. Good conversational fodder!<br /><br />@WMD- Good points.<br /><br />@txGreg- Well said. (I feel like I should add more to that, but...well... you already did a great job!)Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-10331984578869132232013-01-29T15:31:01.495-06:002013-01-29T15:31:01.495-06:00(waited a while, and my last comment never showed ...(waited a while, and my last comment never showed up so I'm trying again; hope this isn't a dupe)<br /><br />first of all, as long as we're sharing info about sweet shotguns, check out this sure-to-be-illegal at some point beauty from <a href="http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/" rel="nofollow">Kel-Tec</a>. It's pump action, but I still really, really want one.<br /><br />Now, @Airotciv. Short answer is that I disagree with you. I find it odd that you quote the Constitution, then - like a lot of other people - ascribe to it meaning that is blatantly not in the text. Nothing there about hunting... and yet you conclude that it only protects hunting?<br /><br />Anyway - you make the mistake that many people take in trying to apply the Second Amendment (2A). You ask why someone "needs" some particular weapon. The protection afforded by the 2A is not about "need" any more than that afforded by the First Amendment (1A). A liberal news anchor does not "need" to be able to call George W Bush a terrorist, or equate his term in office with Nazi Germany. But the 1A <b>recognizes</b> and <b>protects</b> their Right to do so.<br /><br />In the same way, the 2A does not try to determine the citizens' need to own a particular gun. It simply recognizes their Right to own it, and tells the government not to infringe on that Right.<br /><br />People say "obviously, they didn't mean that people could own weapon xyz." Those people are wrong. When written, most of the firearms on this continent were owned by private citizens. When we fought for independence, where did the cannons (equivalent of today's heavy artillery) come from? If you answered anything other than private citizens, you would be mistaken. And after the war effort, those pieces of dangerous heavy artillery were returned gratefully to the families who owned them.<br /><br />I should be able to go down to Wal-Mart and buy the same kind of select-fire "assault weapons" that the DHS is looking to purchase. Not because I fear the government, or want to go hunting with it, or even to defend my home. All of those might be true of a given individual, but the only "reason" I need is that I want it (in my case to punch holes in paper targets and have fun with it).<br /><br />Just some thoughts for you to ponder... thanks for stopping by.txGregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-10651391043788828142013-01-29T14:49:52.809-06:002013-01-29T14:49:52.809-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.WMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823864136119114036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-74687391101940983042013-01-29T14:49:31.348-06:002013-01-29T14:49:31.348-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.WMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823864136119114036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-82479680239869525692013-01-29T14:49:05.530-06:002013-01-29T14:49:05.530-06:00@airotciv, with all due respect, have you ever fir...@airotciv, with all due respect, have you ever fired a gun? My wife is pretty liberal and didn't like guns, until I took her shooting. And now she loves them. They're a blast! (No pun) As for military style guns, why not? Back in the day of the founding, guess what, citizens had the exact same type of guns the military had. Admittedly they were not as efficient as firearms today.<br />Also, I understand your concern about an untrained individual pulling out his gun to possibly stop the commission of a crime. I would point you to the gentleman is Seattle(?) I think it was, who stopped a gunman just by pulling out his own gun, He did not fire because if he missed they're could have been innocents hurt. But it stopped the lunatic and that was good enough.<br />Anyway, just some of my own thoughts on your concerns.WMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03823864136119114036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-1083345063119004802013-01-29T12:35:29.437-06:002013-01-29T12:35:29.437-06:00According to most of the comments here, everyone i...According to most of the comments here, everyone is downplaying the importance of the second amendment by mainly using it to describe hunting.<br /><br />I'm going to say this right away so that you can groan and throw socks at me: I tend to view it that way too.<br /><br />Also saying this fact too: I don't own a firearm. Not even a BB Gun. You may stare in shock and pity and shake your heads. :)<br /><br />Now--the people I know who legally have guns tend to work in law enforcement or are close to those that do.<br /><br />Notice I said "legally." I'm not counting illegal gun owners here because the laws really don't affect them. They'll get the guns anyway, sadly.<br /><br />Moving on; the second amendment is "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I'm going to basically say that means people can keep firearms for protection (because maybe law enforcement and the military are corrupt and going to shoot you despite you being innocent? And being a geek, I am not discounting a zombie outbreak happening ;) )<br /><br />The other thing for protection is against criminals. "The bads guys have guns so the good guys have to have guns to stop them. Just look at situations like Aurora Theater."<br /><br />I'm really sorry but even after these shooting, I don't think every trip to the movies will have a psychopath coming in to kill us all. I certainly hope a quick visit to get groceries won't get me killed. But if I'm shopping my hands will have bags, so I couldn't get the gun anyway.<br /><br />Also, of the people who want the weapons for protection, how many have been trained to deal with surprise situations like that? Not to be funny. but if we're at the store together, you get your gun out to save us all and in your nervous state you miss your shots and make the person kill even more people because the criminal now knows at least one person is armed, wouldn't it have been better without you trying to shoot?<br /><br />I honestly mean no offense and I respect the right to bear arms but I really just can't see defense reasons for assault weapons unless your area tends to have people wandering around in body armor a lot and no police or military to stop it.<br /><br />Given all of that... you can see that the only reason I can feasibly see a high-powered firearm being used for every day civilian life is... hunting. <br /><br />I don't know if my thought process is the same one the government's using, but it might help some of you understand that not everyone who equates rifles/powerful firearms to military/hunting isn't trying to be degrading, it might just be a result of something similar. <br /><br />Thanks! :)<br /><br />S.A.Airotcivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954238468019752061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-91353383085078783932013-01-29T11:36:56.937-06:002013-01-29T11:36:56.937-06:00When I was in the Corps, a 'machine gun' w...When I was in the Corps, a 'machine gun' was a belt fed, crew served weapon, primarily (then) the M-60 which I carried in the 'assault' configuration (bi-pod, canvas ammo bag) so a 'loader' was not required; the M-2 (.50 cal) was relegated to Weapons Platoon along with the heavy mortars. The media/politicians have defined anything that looks scary to them to be an assault weapon. Other thing, about 95% of the dufuses ranting about semi - automatics don't even understand how they operate. The now infamous interview with Bob Sheiffer where he admitted that he thought a semi meant that you emptied the magazine with one trigger pull was a classic. Mag size is just as ridiculous as pointed out in the testimony linked below (and experience), it only takes a couple of seconds to change out a magazine.<br /><br />Another point, has anyone seen the autopsy results from the Sandy Hook shooting? Be interesting to see if all the wounds were .223/5.56. <br /><br />I like the attached testimony before Congress from a person who survived the Kileen Lubys shooting, educating them on what the 2nd Amendment really means - applies now as it did then (and notice the congressional critters pretty much remain the same players: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6sEYGcXSmpQ" rel="nofollow">Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp - Survivor of the 1991 Kileen TX Lubys Shooting Massacre Testimony</a>SeaDog52http://seachants.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-41735024849091736402013-01-29T10:18:40.331-06:002013-01-29T10:18:40.331-06:00@SeaDog52- That triple-barreled shotgun offers imp...@SeaDog52- That triple-barreled shotgun offers impressive stopping power!<br /><br />@REM1875- There you go, trying to use logic when analyzing liberal thought. It can't be done.<br /><br />And interesting angle with the Geneva convention and bullets designed for maximum bodily destruction. Maybe it's time we got the House to propose a bill making it illegal to use such bullets against American citizens?<br /><br />@Necron99- I said roughly the same thing, but you said it way better.<br /><br />@Velcro- So called because those revolutionaries fought using muskeets.<br /><br />@SeaDog52- It seems that the real defining element in an "assault weapon" is if it looks scary.<br /><br />@Irene Peduto- For now, you can assume I'm here M, W, F like usual. I just made a typo in the posting time for Monday's cartoon, so it appeared later than usual. By the way, even when I screw up there should be <i>something</i> on the site no later than 9am (CST), because Mrs. Jarlsberg will have awakened me with the cry "your cartoon didn't post!" as she did yesterday.<br /><br />@Gang of One- You're right that we shouldn't concede the all-important semantics. "Defense Weapon" sounds good, as does "Choice Provider" - for those people who believe in making the <i>choice</i> between life and death <i>for themselves.</i><br /><br />@Pete(Detroit)- Sweet mother of pearl! <i>That</i> is one heckuva shotgun!<br /><br />@Anonymous- Great point! Obama made a point of saying that "the girls" don't shoot skeet, and in his defense of hunting referred to rural areas where "boys of 10 go hunting with their fathers and uncles." Nope, guns certainly don't belong in the hands of <i>women</i> in Obama's sexist world...except, oh yeah, when he's <i>putting them in frontline combat.</i>Stilton Jarlsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14503164551782304564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-23117323647651388852013-01-29T08:53:53.497-06:002013-01-29T08:53:53.497-06:00I looked up the actual story and
"Not the gi...I looked up the actual story and<br /><br />"Not the girls, ..." <br /><br />Where are all the Fembots after a sexist comment like that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-59725076214128966262013-01-29T08:53:21.863-06:002013-01-29T08:53:21.863-06:00SeaDog52, this is the one *I* get wet for... even ...SeaDog52, this is the one *I* get wet for... even in semi auto it would be SOOO sweeet!!!! <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c<br /><br />Of course, the grenade rounds will not EVER be legal for civvies - and frankly, I think I'm Ok w/ that... <br />Pete(Detroit)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-73972058581001179362013-01-29T07:54:52.309-06:002013-01-29T07:54:52.309-06:00@SeaDog52 -- Why don't we just do what the lib...@SeaDog52 -- Why don't we just do what the libtards do with language? They want to spin, fold and mutilate words so that their meaning is twisted up inside their version of reality.<br />Plain and simple: 'assault weapon' becomes reborn, correctly, as 'defense weapon'. Why do we let these post-modern assplows define the framework of the argument?Gang of Onenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-11313706019810306162013-01-29T07:08:54.813-06:002013-01-29T07:08:54.813-06:00SJ - I was on the site early & didn't see ...SJ - I was on the site early & didn't see your post - assumed you had finally taken some time for your own self! Wrong! But again you've nailed it! Guns for hunting may be ok - for now. I so hate what he's doing to our country!<br />Thanks for getting your post up again - for all of us!<br />@CenTex - a, b, & c - tell the entire story.<br />@John the Econ - you are right in that he is finding nuance in the 2nd amendment (all lawyers do).<br />@Mike Porter - I am also a bit paranoid - this admin. is so intent on removing all opposition, where will they stop?<br />@Colby - ditto to your 2nd amendment question!Irene Pedutohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11133961730915924600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-33308665276555818602013-01-29T03:47:59.782-06:002013-01-29T03:47:59.782-06:00The lib's bandy around the 'assault weapon...The lib's bandy around the 'assault weapon' term, but can not actually define it. I've provided a goo article by Dan Ryan-Galt on <i>What Is An Assault Weapon</i> - click on my name link above to read.SeaDog52http://seachants.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-41197475229341865322013-01-29T01:52:06.789-06:002013-01-29T01:52:06.789-06:00Skeet - (Obonics, n.) Slang reference to old white...Skeet - (Obonics, n.) Slang reference to old white men associated with the writing of the Constitution.Velcrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13137201079791654873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-17913787222051577402013-01-29T00:09:36.535-06:002013-01-29T00:09:36.535-06:00@REM1875, The reason your head hurts is probably b...@REM1875, The reason your head hurts is probably because its setting squarely on your shoulders. To think properly like a libtard, your head has to be firmly jammed up your @ss!Necron99, "Don't tread on me!"noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-41981672815117721172013-01-29T00:07:11.150-06:002013-01-29T00:07:11.150-06:00A side note the jhp (jacketed hollow point) ammo w...A side note the jhp (jacketed hollow point) ammo was purchased and repurchased for 'target practice'. No mention of what the targets are but heard they plan on plinking cans- (I fear they mean AmeriCANs) <br />Since this ammo is specificaly banned by the Geneva Convention for use on enemy combatants its interesting to note that whoever they use them on will not be considered an enemy combatant or afforded the coverage of the Geneva Convention.<br />An yet this administration at the very least offers the gitmo crew Geneva Convention coverage even though thy do not warrant it. hmmmm?REM1875https://www.blogger.com/profile/04847984055699795355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8993108951931633758.post-19450304201800509382013-01-28T23:00:10.984-06:002013-01-28T23:00:10.984-06:00I need a little help y'all I am kinda confused...I need a little help y'all I am kinda confused.<br />Why is according to the media that if I want an AR -15 it's a deadly despicable assault rifle but if janet "reno" nutpalitano wants one it's a ' personal defense' gun? <br />The media says AR-15'S are too hard for women to shoot but nutpalitano will arm her female agents with them and new front line eligible female military members will be armed with them? (and with 30 round magazines no less)<br />I just gets so darned hard to think like a liberal and hurts my head so I was hoping someone might help me out.<br />REM1875https://www.blogger.com/profile/04847984055699795355noreply@blogger.com