Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Splitting Heirs

Some days, the news raises very troubling whether to defecate or go blind. At least, that was our reaction to the news story that the National Network of Abortion Funds has used "Bowl-a-thons" to raise over $400,000 for abortions.

And not just any old abortions. No, their George Tiller Memorial Abortion Fund, set up in memory of the murdered abortionist George Tiller, only coughs up money for late-term abortions in which the fetus to be dismembered is five months old...or older.

The group's website recently listed one of the happy recipients of abortion funding- a 14 year old girl named Darcy, who embraces their philosophy that "getting an abortion is getting a second chance."

"I'm pretty smart for 14, I think" writes Darcy, adding "I love biology." Frankly, we question her self-assessment of being smart, but think the sad facts absolutely reflect her love of biology. “Y’all were just so nice,” the girl gushed to the abortion group. “I mean, you gave me like more than a thousand dollars. There’s no way that me and my mom could have come up with that much.”

Other than doing something unpleasant like, oh, working or something. Or maybe Darcy could have just waited a few (a very few) more months and simply given birth to a child that someone would want to adopt. But thanks to the Bowl-a-thon, this young genius didn't have to make those confusing choices about whether the child she was carrying also deserved a "second chance."

It's not lost on us that there's an ugly irony in using a game of "strikes and spares" to raise money for abortion.

After all, it's a procedure that strikes down millions of lives each year, spares no unborn child, and demonstrates all too clearly that our nation's morality has thudded into the gutter.


PERSONAL NOTE: I'm feeling particularly impassioned about the issue of late-term abortions because I have a Facebook friend who has been sharing pictures of her newest family member: an infant who had to be delivered at 31 weeks, weighing only a little over 3 pounds.

He's been fighting hard for his life (and as of this writing is doing well). The idea that some people consider a 31-week old fetus as just a mass of cells and not an unborn person is offensively and demonstrably wrong. The distinction doesn't require a committee of scientists, theologians, philosophers, and politicians to determine.

It's as easy as looking at that little fighter's baby pictures.



Steve Burri said...

I'm with ya, Stilton.

Japheaux said...

While almost all of your posts push the right buttons to get my blood pressure up like a third cup of coffee; this one really hit a nerve. Like a page of codes with many syntax errors, my brain just has no way to compute how someone can decide to abort a human being. I.e., yes, I am too stupid to process the thought of someone actually doing this.

Keep posting Stilt...if it saves even one life today it will have been worth it.

Angry Hoosier Dad said...

I understand how some folks get worked up over late term abortions. After all, you can see that "it" is a fully formed human being with fingers and toes, eyes and nose, etc. To me, the timing just doesn't matter. Six days or six months, this child has a God-given right to live. At what point do we have the right to say he doesn't? As for bowl-a-thons for abortion...pathetic.

Gang of One said...

Abortion n: the human sacrifice of the Secular Humanist Atheists.
I am unable to comprehend the mindset that not only approves of abortion [as a contraceptive measure], but demands we taxpayers provide money for it. We are a debased society.

Colby said...


Suzy said...

Great post today, Stilt.... you know, the idea that a baby isn't a human unless its WANTED is very, very dangerous. Because pretty soon, Grandma will no longer have her right to life if she's not wanted...and so on.

When a woman gets pregnant she has voluntarily (yes, in most cases, VOLUNTARILY) given up her body to be used as a home for a PERSON for nine months. It is no longer "my body", but it is "our bodies" for nine months. Which doesn't seem too hard to understand, especially in light of the fact probably about half of those pregnancies are boys, and its kinda hard to understand how a boy can be the mother's body. Whatever. Anyway....any mother who isn't ready for her body to be used in such a fashion should think before she, well, lets anyone use her body.

Its not the baby's fault. :-(

Anonymous said...

God help us - like Gang of One said, we are literally sacrificing our future generation on the altar of Human secularism. This generation will ultimately care more about recycling aluminum cans than it does about the life of an innocent child, who didn't ASK to be conceived. I tremble when I think how God dealt with cultures that routinely performed child sacrifices.

My Dog Brewski said...

OT: Congratulations Richard Mourdock in Indiana. Just learn to smile more, OK? You look like a Teamster's union leg-breaker.

Chuck said...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

On this our country was founded and a Constitution written. Without Life, there can be no Liberty or Pursuit of Happiness. When the life of a conceived citizen is of less importance than the short term "happiness" of a selfish people, then we have convicted ourselves as a nation of heartless murderers.

Greg said...

There's really nothing to add. I weep for what our country is quickly becoming.

Angry Hoosier Dad said...

@ Chuck:
Without life, all other rights are an academic exercise.

Emmentaler Limburger said...

My newest great nephew (niece's son) was born premature (just over 26 weeks) just over a year ago. He was in the hospital for about 8 months, had all kinds of surgeries and treatments, ate through a tube for a long time even afterward, and still has oxygen to help him breathe. Other than that, he is a pudgy, active, normal little man who has been through more than most of us could endure. His parents are saints and examples in endurance for all of us. And the doctors at UofM Children's are miracle workers.

Clearly, this little fella was no mass of cells to be discarded.

I'm with you, Stilton. And I fear for a race that can be so cavalier in executing the most innocent among themselves.

Earl said...

There's no sensitive way to post this, but what's up with the Chinese pills discovered to contain ground up babies? I just heard about it and don't know the details. Is this issue also above Obama's pay grade?

John the Econ said...

If conservatives were "evil Nazis" like the leftist narrative so defines us as being, you'd think we'd be all on board with this. After all, we're not really sacrificing "our" next generation, but the liberals next generation. It's really a form of genocide; The DNA that makes this cognitive dissonance possible is not the kind of DNA that founded this country and made it great.

Abortion has never been a "hill to die on" issue for me. However, watching the left trivialize the issue in order to sanitize it is.

The sad part is that if this 14-year-old has any conscious, she will some day realize what happened to her and mourn. It's a sadness that she will take to her grave. If she doesn't, it's probably better off she didn't give birth, IMHO.

Pete (Detroit) said...

Back in college, I knew several women who had had abortions. They also had nightmares about the babies. Still in touch w/ two of them, who are loving mothers of several, now. Hopefully the nightmares have stopped.

As for 'preemie care' - how long do you think THAT will last under any government program? That a LOT of resource dedicated to just one person...

Mike Porter said...

Stilton: Ouch - though hitting the vein on the first go is preferable to poking around like a newbie nurse.

John the Econ: spot on - a good example of this would be those cultures that express their preference for one gender in a child over the other via selective abortion, and are now experiencing an alarming deficit of said 'other' gender. Being that rubes such as this Darcy are sadly representative of the very ideal of a citizen in the minds of progressives, I can verily well see your point that what is transpiring here is an eventual whittling down of the useful as well as not so useful idiots.

One might believe, then, that such progressives would eventually recognize this for what it is and perhaps adjust their course somewhat. But remember that these are the same folks who believe that the current population should be pulled back to something less than a billion in order to save our dear sweet old blue haired mother nature who would never select out those who could make such an adjustment happen.

Stilton Jarlsberg said...

@Steve Burri- What's amazing to me is how many people don't agree with us.

@Japheaux- For what it's worth, this story had the same effect on me: it blew past my usual defensive filters and pegged the needle on my "outrage" meter.

@Angry Hoosier Dad- While I personally abhor all abortions, it is indeed the late-term abortions that upset me most. And any abortion should be treated with solemnity, deep contemplation, and a sense of regret for a lost life. Attaching abortion to a "Bowl-a-thon" is mind-blowingly tasteless.

@Gang of One- You don't need to have religion to appreciate the value, potential, and inherent dignity of every human life. I'm a case in point - I have great respect for people of faith, but I'm not personally a believer. This causes confusion in a number of friends who know what a moralist I am. One of them recently suggested I may be some sort of "fallen angel," and I'm still trying to decide if that's a compliment or not.

But coming back to Earth, tax money should not be used for abortions. The number crunchers would say (and HAVE said) that it's a great deal for taxpayers: pay a few hundred up front to have someone killed, and save tens of thousands on the back end when you don't pay for that person's other needs. But that argument is morally debased - when the decision to take lives is purely economic, then our society is debased.

@Colby- Tebow is a great example of someone who was spared the knife against doctors' recommendations. And my own father was born out of wedlock; had abortions been easily obtained back then, he would never have been born...and obviously, I wouldn't have been either.

@Suzy- You make a great point that life, and its potential, is not determined by how much others want or value it. Rather, it's what the individual chooses to make of it...assuming the rest of us let them live long enough for at least the pursuit of happiness.

And I think you've also hit on something that our culture desperately needs to be reminded of: sex makes babies. And in fact, making babies is nature's only interest in sexual activity. If abortions were made unavailable, and all pregnancies had to go full term (including those which will end in adoption), I think you'd find a lot more caution being inspired in females who previously said "yes" to anything and anyone.

@Anonymous- Whether it's the workings of God or not, we can already see the punishment being meted out on our battered culture and soulless institutions. "Free will" is a death sentence to those who exercise it without conscience.

@My Dog Brewski- The contest in Indiana was interesting, and should be a reminder to those MSM types that the Tea Party hasn't gone anywhere. Of course, we'll be reminding them of that a lot in upcoming days.

txGreg said...

short and pithy: P.O.D. said it best on their first album with the song "Abortion is Murder."

Interesting note: On their independent release of that album, the song was there and listed on the back. When they got signed to a major label a few years later, the album was re-released. Guess which song the label wanted them to remove?

After a lot of arguing, the album was finally released with the song still on it, but it was not listed on the outside of the CD case... it became one of those "hidden tracks" at the end of the album.

(political correctness is our #1 problem IMO).

Stilton Jarlsberg said...

@Chuck- Wonderfully put.

@Greg- I do, too.

@Angry Hoosier Dad- This was exactly the point of my "Julia" cartoon. When life is so easily disposed of, all other promises are moot.

@Emmentaler- Glad to hear your great nephew is doing well. And when it comes to a reality check, there's nothing better than actually seeing one of these tiny infants fighting for every breath. All of the debate and phony arguments vanish...and the idea of people bowling to raise money to put similar (indeed, identical infants into a landfill become a clear obscenity.

@Earl- There were two "baby" stories I was going to tie to today's commentary, but decided not to because I didn't want to diffuse the focus. One was officials in South Korea seizing thousands of smuggled pills which are filled with the powdered flesh of babies and fetuses, to be used as an aphrodisiac and "performance enhancement" for men. I haven't had time to go through "Dreams From My Father" again to see if Obama tried these in his youth - though I assume just the thought of them might give him the desired effect.

The other story is that the Whitehouse is now forcing unborn fetuses to sign in on the Whitehouse guest logs. No, really. If a pregnant woman comes in, she has to sign for herself AND sign another line for the (ahem) PERSON inside her. My only explanation for this is that the Whitehouse has been warned about tiny terrorists who don't have claustrophobia.

@John the Econ- Like you, I don't put abortion at the top of my list of issues to fight about (there's only so much time and strength). But the broader issue of the debasement and devaluation of life in our culture does demand immediate attention. Which is my entirely too long-winded way of saying "I agree with you."

One thing about the 14-year-old's story: she said that she and her mom couldn't raise the money for the abortion...clearly indicating there's no dad in the picture. And that dynamic probably explains why this young girl got pregnant in the first place: there are no family values where there are no families.

@Pete(Detroit)- Your story makes me wish there was a "scared straight" program for women who are contemplating abortion. Not to have them screamed at or chastized, but simply to hear from other women who have had abortions and come to regret it. But, like being asked to look at a sonogram of a tiny beating heart, this would surely be seen as abuse of women.

@Mike Porter- As you may have noticed, I'm not really into "subtlety" on issues like this.

Stilton Jarlsberg said...

@txGreg- The problem with political correctness is that it is, almost without exception, incorrect.

Cookie said...

This makes me absolutely sick in my gut. I was adopted, and I thank God that the young woman who bore me didn't "give me up" but "gave me more" by allowing me to live and be loved to absolutely amazing parents. I had several miscarriages, and one of those "masses" was fully formed even though I was only 8-10 weeks along. I could see all the parts. I can't imagine murdering a human being either--I don't care if it's 5 weeks or 5 months! It's still WRONG! We have certainly sunk lower than low as a society in allowing this. It's nothing but pure wretchedness and evil.

Gang of One said...

@Stilton -- point taken about your not being a believer. Atheism and debasement are not mutually inclusive, and I have known otherwise religious men and women spew the whole rosaries-off-my-ovaries non-sense, or some other variation of pro-abortion stances. I think what distinguishes you and a handful of other non-believers is that you don't worship the State, nor do you worship the Self, the latter being the ultimate idolatry that makes abortion available, common and un-tragic.

John said...

The Journal of Medical Ethics (JME) just published an article called “After-Birth Abortion: Why Should the Baby Live?”. It's Promoting "After-birth abortion". So more of these 'pro-choice' people aren't even bothering to pretend it's not infanticide anymore.

RyDaddy said...

Abortions in general, and late-term especially, make my stomach roll, but as a good engineer who just wants to see problems solved I have a simple solution:
Define the abortion age week limit to be the earliest pre-term baby born and survived to 1 year, minus 1 week for age-test error. Just from comments in this thread ALONE it would be set to a 25 weeks limit.
Then all the pro-life folks will pour there donations into research to save pre-term babies and that date will creep up year after year.

Colby said...

About 13 years ago, my son and his then girfriend came to us and told us she was pregnant. The girlfriend's mother desperately wanted her to get an abortion because it would embarrass her in front of her church buddies to have a young daughter pregnant out of wedlock. Apparently she wasn't worried about being embarrassed about killing a baby.... I guess her church buddies wouldn't have known.

Instead, my son and the girl got married, and now we have "Jerry." "Jerry" is an awesome child (with 3 little brothers), and some days I look at him and think what could have been. It is making my eyes tear up even now. How people can do this hideous act is beyond my comprehension!

Coincidentally, I am in the middle of reading Frank Peretti's book "Prophet" for the second time, which is a chilling look at abortion and what it does to all involved. I highly reccommend this book.

John the Econ said...

@John, ultimately, socialized medicine will force this reality amongst us all; once under a single system, the number crunchers will eventually present that unwanted or "defective" children will present an unsustainable burden upon society. Decades of desensitivization towards human life combined with the implicit threat that their "goodies" might be cut back will make it relatively easy for the masses to accept this.

Margaret Sanger's eugenic dream will finally become reality.

PaulE said...

I'm with you on the late term abortion. I have a 14 year old daughter that is just a joy. She was born at 30 weeks. She weighed only 2 pounds 11 ounces at birth. NOBODY can tell me that it would have been right to terminate her mother's pregnancy because of the complications of the mother.

PRY said...

I am sure many of you here have heard the 'real-life' accounts by women and young girls who thought they were getting a 'second chance'. Little did they know that by believing the lies of the 'evil' side (that's what I am going to call them from now on), that most of them were trading their inner peace for a life filled with torment because of the guilt and grief they were bringing on themselves; not to mention the baby's feelings!

Millions of women have taken their lives as a result, many more are mental and emotional disasters, as well as their OTHER kids whom they decided to have!

Yeah, you never hear the evil people even TOUCH on that side of the issue of abortion! Because it does not matter to them, and the only way I can describe a person who would choose to spread this kind of poison is "evil". May God have mercy on their souls.

Suzy said... fortunate "Jerry" was to have such a good grandpa and a good daddy! Kudos to your family!

Stilton Jarlsberg said...

@Cookie- I'm glad that you made it, and am sincerely sorry about your own losses. I think that the first step in reforming abortion - and people's attitude about it - is to speak HONESTLY about what the procedure is and what the consequences are. As long as people keep pretending it's the same as a tonsillectomy, we'll never get anywhere trying to convince people that real lives are in the balance.

@Gang of One- I'd like to think I'd make a pretty respectable Christian except for the whole "being saved" thing. But I try to live my life as if Someone was watching, I try to do as much good and as little harm as possible. I'm a fiend for the golden rule. And I guess I even exhibit faith by continuing to hope that good will prevail over evil, and that virtue is its own reward.

Moreover, I have huge respect for people of faith - and I'm envious of their "church families."

And I have to be truthful with all of you out of that same respect, even if some of you won't agree with my personal choices. But don't worry about "saving" me; my friends here in Texas are almost all dedicated Christians, so I get frequent reminders to get my spiritual house in order!

@John- Barack Obama was (and presumably is) a proponent of post-natal abortion. When the debate is openly about killing babies, then the freakin' debate has gone too far. We're a heartbeat away from the government deciding who - of ANY age - is useful to the state or not. And for those who aren't, it's going to be euthanasia...and perhaps a quick trip to the Soylent Green assembly line.

@RyDaddy- I like the solid pragmatism of your suggestion and would fully support it. Seriously, I'd like this to be considered for enactment.

@Colby- Wonderful story, and I'm glad you shared. And I know that not all such situations have happy endings. It's hard to bring a child into this's hard to face's hard to raise a child in less than ideal conditions...and it's hard to give a child up for adoption. But THOSE are the thoughts that should be going through young people's (and especially young women's) minds whenever someone wants to play sexual russian roulette.

@John the Econ- The groundwork is all there in that monstrous Obamacare framework. The "end of life" advisory panels, and the committee which will decide what kinds of medical care will and won't be given...and to whom.

Even more tragically (if such a thing is even possible) it will be the dumbest eugenics plan ever: designed not to eliminate the feeble, but to eliminate the strong, the productive, and the independent. It will be reverse Darwinism, in the service of creating, week, dependent, subservient, mush-minded people who will do anything the states asks in return for comfort and freebies.

And they will be called the Eloi.

@PaulE- I can't imagine a more definitive expert opinion than that one. Thank you!

@Pry- I recently re-watched the movie "Resurrection" with Ellen Burstyn (and it's a great movie). But I'd forgotten a scene in which she reveals having been forced into an abortion which she didn't want...and how it has tortured her ever since. Very moving, and entirely believable.

For 14-year-old Darcy, a day will come when she realizes the "second chance at life" she got was actually the only chance at life which she stole from someone else. It would be cruel of me to say that I hope it makes her suffer...but I'll admit that I hope that she feels the pain and weight of her decision in a way she clearly hasn't yet.

Sparky said...

As an adoptee, I'm with you on this one Doc. How can a civilized society call for the murder of their unborn?! It's sick that there are women out there that can murder a child, especially their own, without even blinking an eye and call it good. We women are suppose to be protective of little ones. We should stand firm for civility and perserving life. I'm truly horrified at what our society has become.

My prayers go for the little baby born prematurely. May he and his parents be blessed this day. Please keep us posted as to the outcome if convenient.

John the Econ said...

Can you imagine something that would put evangelical Christians and homosexual activists together fighting on the same side of an issue? I can. It’s my prediction that as genetic testing for fetus’ progresses, tests to suggest if a child will be predisposed to being homosexual will become more widely available and accepted. There will be, no doubt, many anguished parents who will consider abortion a less offensive option than rearing a child that might possibly turn out to be gay. Since the homosexual community has long argued that homosexuality isn’t a “choice” but is something that someone is born into, the arguments of “genocide” will emerge, and many of this traditionally very liberal constituency will fracture and align themselves with the anti-abortion agenda. Many will argue that abortions instigated on the basis of such test should be made illegal, breaching the notion that abortion is entirely an issue of a woman’s “choice”.

Won't that be fun to watch?

Anonymous said...

I understand your passion about this issue. My daughter was a 25-week preemie. She is now a soldier.

JustaJeepGuy said...

I have a friend who has a slightly different perspective on abortion. He and his wife tried for a child several times. The wife had a couple miscarriages. When she got pregnant again, some time later they were told they had a choice: if the wife carried this one to term, the baby would die and the wife would probably die (it might have been the other way around, too). I don't know the details of the situation, but it was a seriously tough call for them (I met them a few years after his happened). They tried one more time and now they have an 18-year-old daughter. Some times, the abortion issue isn't always clear-cut.

JustaJeepGuy said...

Sloppy typing is usually clear-cut. I left out a "t" in "this" in my second parenthetical expression, darn it!

Stilton Jarlsberg said...

@Sparky- Again, a perfect expert on the subject of adoption! I'm glad your biological mother made the brave choice.

Regarding the little guy I referred to in the commentary, he's doing well just now- he's no longer on a ventilator and is just using a CPAP machine to assist breathing (true confession: I use one too to cut down on my snoring). I got a wonderful letter from the little guy's father today, expressing his appreciation (and that of his wife) that their son has already touched so many hearts...and that so many people are rooting for him. And don't tell anyone, but I get a little misty - in a good way - just being in the mix.

I'll update as I get news.

@John the Econ- What you're describing is absolutely plausible... and I'll indeed want a front row seat to watch the ensuing debate!

@Anonymous- Darn, I seem to have a little something in my eye. (wipe, wipe, sniff). There, I think I got it.

That's AWESOME, and please let your daughter know how appreciative I am (and many others are) for her service.

@JustaJeepGuy- Interesting story, and this is why I'm not one of those folks who are dead set against abortion 100% of the time. Sometimes, hard life-and-death choices need to be made (indeed, the act of conceiving is a life-and-death decision, though sadly people don't treat it as such). I'm glad that there was a final happy ending to your friends' story.

Angry Hoosier Dad said...

@ Stilton:
Do you understand why the left is so eager to render God unconstitutional? It's the whole "serving two masters" thing. When there is no ultimate authority to which we must answer, the only authorities left are the state and our own whim. Both of those are arbitrary and capricious; houses built on sand if you will. What the state sanctions one day, it can outlaw the next. This only creates confusion and adds to the dependency they want us to feel. It's all about power and securing that power for all time. God gets in the way of that and for that He must die.

Stilton Jarlsberg said...

@Angry Hoosier Dad- I not only understand your point, but I strongly agree with it. The government wants to be the ultimate moral authority, and the only way to make that happen is by eliminating the competition... whether it comes from churches or even personal conscience.

John the Econ said...

@Stilton, I'd like a front row seat too, except I doubt there will be any. Do you seriously think that the media (overwhelmingly pro-abortion) would have anything to do with disseminating such a debate? This single debate, if allowed to take place publicly, destroys almost every narrative they've spend generations reinforcing. The revolution will not be televised!

@JustaJeepGuy, I think very few people outside of the fringe flat-earth-evangelical-right believes that abortion isn't justified where the life of the fetus or mother is involved. Of course, that doesn't make the decision any easier for the people involved...

@Angry Hoosier Dad, this is how we know that a government is out of control and bent towards totalitarianism. A government that respected and serves its citizens would not need to crush religion.

Pete (Detroit) said...

Stilt - back in my Aggie days, I would frequently be approached by those concerned about the status of my soul - init'ing the assault w/ the aggressive "have you been SAVED?"
"No, but I'm heavily discounted on Wednesdays..." Left them prety much no where to go....

Best anti-abortion billboard, IMAO -

John the Econ said...

Off-topic, but gave me the best laugh so far today:

Kaos Klerik said...

John the econ - Consider this.

IF there is a gay gene and an invitro test is discovered the majority of people NOT aborting their gay babies will be Catholics.

TheOldMan said...

JJG: Many years ago my wife was pg with our first son when we discovered that he had been dealt a bad genetic hand. If he made it to term, he would likely have died within a week or so. To this day I wonder if we made the correct decision. It seemed to me that he was not moving on the screen that day but perhaps that was my mind dealing with our decision. I held him for a long time thinking what might have been. As I write this I am tearing up and it was many, many years ago. Every year on his bday I take out his photos and hosp blanket. We had his body cremated and I put the box with his remains on the pullout tray because I didn't want him to be alone at the end. I grieve for him, I grieve for the babies who through no fault of their own are not wanted, I grieve. Anyone who considers ab an acceptable form of b/c has no concept of the psyc toll. We were both forever changed by our decision in ways that few can understand.

Stilton Jarlsberg said...

@Pete(Detroit)- I can picture the stunned looks you must have left on well-intentioned faces.

And that's a GREAT billboard. That might as well have been 14-year-old Darcy up there.

@John the Econ- Hilarious! I'm absolutely going to share that on Facebook.

@Kaos Klerik- Wow, that's a head spinner right there!

@TheOldMan- First, please know that you have my very sincere sympathies. And second, let me thank you for the courage and honesty of sharing this very personal story with those of us who haven't had to make this hardest of decisions. The situation you describe (and the fact that people like you and your wife make this decision with appropriate seriousness) is why I support the option of legal abortion - but despise the way it's done 99.99% of the time. In the same situation, I believe my wife and I would have chosen an abortion. Not lightly, and not without deep regret.

And in complete seriousness, I've got tears in my eyes right now. Again, thank you for sharing.

JustaJeepGuy said...

@TheOldMan, I have frequently wondered whether I could go on if something like that were to happen in my life. I think I wouldn't handle it well. Nowhere near as well as you have, I suspect.

Gang of One said...

@The Old Man -- I cannot begin to imagine your pain a grief. You and yours will be in my prayers. Godspeed.

John the Econ said...

@TheOldMan, you make the best decisions you can with the information you have at the time. Sometimes things are not to be. I pray for peace for you.

Of all the people I know who've had abortions for various reasons, I know none who are "okay" with it years down the road. It's something you won't read about on the Planned Parenthood web site, which at times trivializes and seems to celebrate abortion as a "healthy" thing.

Liberals like to portray themselves as the "sensitive" ideology. And yet their position towards this issue seems almost flippant. The one thing I do like about the abortion debate is that it totally throws liberal ideology and logic through the ringer and exposes it as completely incoherent. That's why they have to totally rely upon emotion to make the point; and false emotion at that.

Pete(Detroit) said...

JTheE - True dat
The Old man - 2nds to all above. I realize that abortions have their place. It may, perhaps be the "best" place, it is NEVER a "good" place.
I am a firm believer in "choice" - choosing adoption, choosing to keep your legs shut, and, in worst case scenarios, choosing the life of the mother, who may yet have another baby. Hard, VERY hard call. My prayers added to others, for all who have had to make that call. Either way.
Big hugs.